Benazir Bhutto told the Council on Foreign Relations in New
York in August that she regretted not being more “nurturing”
while in power, says a report in New York Magazine by Jennifer
“The people wanted me to be there as a woman leader,”
she said. “I wish I had focused more on that than on
the more militaristic notions.”
It’s a dilemma familiar to a certain other woman running
for chief executive writes Ms Senior, with whom Ms Bhutto
Q: Are there criticisms of Hillary you sometimes hear that
you know are code for something else?
A: One thing people often say to me is that Bill Clinton is
a very warm leader and that Hillary is much colder. But I
think that women leaders tend to be a little bit withdrawn,
to protect themselves from unkind comments. When a male leader
is warm, it’s not misinterpreted. Whereas if a female
leader is warm, it can have certain connotations. So a female
leader has to be more restrained, in a sense.
Q: When you were prime minister, were you scrutinized, as
Hillary so often is, for trivial things, like the fashion
choices you made?
A: Yes. I once had a male opposition leader get up in the
assembly and say, “Oh, these white veils she wears,
and how she brings them all the way from France!” Which
was simply not true. I used to buy them in Pakistan. And then
I looked at his shoes. He had bought Bally shoes! I couldn’t
believe the hypocrisy of it. He took it for granted that no
one would scrutinize him!
Q: Did you say anything?
A: I didn’t. I didn’t want to be that kind of
Q: Did you also have a hard time earning the trust of other
women, at l east at first?
A: I had a lot of support among ordinary women. But women
in leadership positions could sometimes be competitive. Those
who’d achieved a lot could be my sharpest critics.
Q: Did being a woman influence your leadership in a more subtle
A: I was able to put iodine in salt. And I was able to do
that because I shopped for salt.
Q: Why do you think that the US seems to have a harder time
with women at the highest level of power than other countries?
A: In a country like Pakistan or India, when a charismatic
leader dies, people are not sure that the traditions he symbolized
will continue -– there’s a lot of illiteracy and
there isn’t the same access to information. So they
tend to transfer allegiance from a male leader to a female
descendant, in the hope that his policies will be continued.
But in Westernized societies, it’s a little different,
because people have greater education and greater access to
information — they don’t have the same need to
be sure of the message of the leader.
Q: Any advice for Bill on the campaign trail?
A: All I can tell him is that either way, you won’t
win. Not if you disappear and not if you’re there campaigning.
He’ll have to go by his instincts.